Post Info TOPIC: Thriskeia kai Sympan- Aplh erothsh
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Thriskeia kai Sympan- Aplh erothsh
  


Mia erwthsh aplh poy apefthynete kyriws stous thrhskevomenous.
1.Gnwrizoume oti o planhths mas einai enas apo tous 8 planhtes toy hliakou systhmatos.
 Epishs o planhths mas den einai oute megalos oute mikros se sygkrish me tous allous.
2.Gnwrizoume oti o hlios einai ena apo ta disekkatomyria astra tou galaksia.
 Epishs gnwrizoume oti o hlios den einai oute apo ta megalytera oute apo ta mikrotera astra tou galaksia
3.Gnwrizoume oti o galaksias mas einai enas apo tous trisekatomyria galaksies tou sympantos.
 Epishs gnwrizoume oti o galaksias mas den einai oute spanios, oute poly megalos oute kai apo tous mikroterous mesa sto sympan.

An apokleisoume to endexomeno na yparxei eksoghinh zwh, prokyptei ena aplo erwthma. Giati o theos dialekse afto ton galaksia, afto to astro kai afto to planhth gia na ftiaksei to dhmiourghma tou...kai an skeftoume kai ligo parapera prokyptei to erwthma "Giati o theos eftiakse to ypoloipo to sympan" kai den stathike apla se enan hlio me enan planhth?

Sthn parapanw aplh erothsh exw parei apanthseis tou styl "pisteve kai mh erevna", "agnwstai oi voulai tou kyriou" ktlp
Elpizw se mia kalyterh apanthsh.

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emptytie

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To 3 den einai megalo noumero gia mnopshfio, to 19 den einai oyte ply megalo oyte poly mikro gia dhpsifio ,to idio isxyei  kai gia to 20  29  30 37......ean ypothesoyme oti exei ginei mono mia klhrvsh lotto sthn istoria toy sympantos....stis 11-8 ...giati klhrothikan aytoi oi arithmoi? 


Ean ypothesoume omws oti ginontai synexeia klhrvseis.....mia xara den einai?
meta anarwtiesai logika....
Yparxei kapoio trixvto xeri (px toy theoy) poy trabaei e3w ta kosmika mpalakia ths
sympantikhs klhrwtidas?

yparxei kapoio protypo? enas arxetypos kanonas ...mhpws to sympan einai eggenos
tyxaio?
H pithanokratia poy epebale sthn skepsh h kbantomhxanikh einai ena nohtiko ergalio opws pisteyan oi prwtoi pateres ths , h mhpws einai  h oysia ths idias ths yparjhs.

O theos  3ekinhse trelos kai logikeythke ?  (o nomos tvn megalvn arithmvn )weirdface



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emptytie

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An apokleisoume to endexomeno na yparxei eksoghinh zwh, prokyptei ena aplo erwthma. Giati o theos dialekse afto ton galaksia, afto to astro kai afto to planhth gia na ftiaksei to dhmiourghma tou ?

giati na mhn ton diale3ei?


"Giati o theos eftiakse to ypoloipo to sympan" kai den stathike apla se enan hlio me enan planhth?

giati na stathei?


ola ayta ta erwthmata kai polla alla akoma,
 exoyn apanthsh sto epipedo toy dhmioyrgismoy biggrin


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jk423

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Dhladh, gia enan thriskeuomeno o monos dromos einai h apporipsh ths ekswghinhs zwhs? Mporei na yparxoun synan8rwpoi mas kai allou (diaforetika aneptigmenoi). Kai poios sou eipe oti h zwh ksekinise sth gh, kai den hr8e sth gh apo kapoio allo meros?



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SouReaL

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To oti o sigekrimenos planitis mas filoksenise zoi den einai kati pou prepei na mas kani na anarotiomaste giati ola afta ginan edo sigekrimena. Aloste kai se opiondipote allo galaxia na vriskomastan kai se ena planiti pou na mporouse na sintirisi zoi, to idio erotima tha ipirxe. Ara lipon den ifistate tetio erotima!

To erotima einai: Eimaste monoi mas?

Dioti enas epistimonas o opios evgale mia statistiki eksisosi se posous planites mporei na filoksenithi zoi, kai oxi mono apla zoi, alla NOHMON zoi, tote to apotelesma itan merikoi ekatomiria politismoi.....MONO sto galaxia mas!!

Ara lipon mono ena pragma erxete sto mialo mas!!!!

Oti i fisiki ekseliksi toy sympantos eianai na apokta aftognosia meso tis zois.
To Sympan einai zontano kai thelei na anagnorizetai.
Apla emeis san anthropotita eimaste akoma se vrefiki ilikia politismou, kai distixos proskolimenoi se sinithies kai prokatalipsis anousies.

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wnikos

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den exei gnorizoume se themata thriskeias gia ayto einai thriskeia.... kapote thriskeia htan oti o kosmos ftiaxtike se 7 hmeres hrthe o thomas o akinatis to simbimbase to thema .... kapote thriskeia htan oti o anthropos ftiaxtike apo pylo ... hrthe o darbinos kai eipe to aytonohto .... kai alla exoun na erthoun .... thimame kapote rwtisa ton pneymatiko mou "yparxoun ekswghinoi? " kai mou eipe mporei kai na yparxoun mporei kai oxi ,,,, kaneis den gnorizei to sxedio tou theou ... GAMW TIS APANTISEIS ,.. xeromai pou o laos mou einai pio mprosta ;))))

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mame

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H 8rhskeia, edwse mia aplokh apanthsh sto erwthma gia thn dhmioyrgia toy kosmoy. Oi an8rwpoi ths epoxhs ekeinhs, sigoyra den 8a katalavainane tipota apo big bang , stoixeiwdh swmatidia  kai gia  atoma ydrogonoy kai oksygonoy. Alla kai o 8eos na ekshgoyse toys nomoys ths fysikhs, den  8a htan swsto, giati o an8rwpos, prepei na anazhthsei kai na anakalypsei monos toy dhmioyrgwntas episthmes. Etsi den einai swsto na kanoyme epi leksh  anagwgh sthn palaia dia8hkh sxetika me thn dhmioyrgia toy kosmoy.Apo ekei kai pera, sto erwthma gia ti epilexthke o planhths mas, gia na dhmioyrgh8ei zwh, prepei prwta na epileksoyme an o 8eos einai mesa sto syban kai eberiexetai se ayto  h einai eksw apo ayto. An eberiexete se ayto (kai einai meros toy), den 8a boroyse na kanei kai polla kai h 8esh mas einai aplws oti kalytero boroyse na vrei .An omws dhmioyrghse to syban me ena big bang (kai ara einai eksw apo ayto) tote 8a prepei na syberanoyme oti oi fysikoi nomoi (poy einai kai toso sta8eroi kai sygkekrimenoi gia thn yparksh mas) einai apotelesma ths dianoias toy kai etsi eimaste to apotelesma mia logikhs ekselikshs toy sybantos poy ftiaxthke me sygkekrimeno tropo, wste se kapoia apo ta apeira shmeia  na dhmioyrgh8ei zwh , kai se kapoia apo ayta na borei h ayth zwh na einai nohmwn .

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Astronomer

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"Giati o theos eftiakse to ypoloipo to sympan" kai den stathike apla se enan hlio me enan planhth?

Isos na min ginetai kai allios. To simpan diepetai apo nomoys. Aytoi oi nomoi den epitrepoyn na emfanistei zoi opos thn xeroyme mono me enan planhth kai ena hlio.
I selini gia paradeigma paizei kathoristiko rolo sthn zoi sth gh, statheropoiei ton axona peristrofis. An den itan i selini ta pragmata tha itan teleios diaforetika kai mporei na min ypirxame twra gia na sizitame edw.
Episis exaitias ton idiwn nomwn einai poly apithano mallon adynaton apo ena nefeloma na sympiknothei mono enas planitis gyro apo enan ilio.

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Vaggos

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Astronomer wrote:

"Giati o theos eftiakse to ypoloipo to sympan" kai den stathike apla se enan hlio me enan planhth?

Isos na min ginetai kai allios. To simpan diepetai apo nomoys. Aytoi oi nomoi den epitrepoyn na emfanistei zoi opos thn xeroyme mono me enan planhth kai ena hlio.
I selini gia paradeigma paizei kathoristiko rolo sthn zoi sth gh, statheropoiei ton axona peristrofis. An den itan i selini ta pragmata tha itan teleios diaforetika kai mporei na min ypirxame twra gia na sizitame edw.
Episis exaitias ton idiwn nomwn einai poly apithano mallon adynaton apo ena nefeloma na sympiknothei mono enas planitis gyro apo enan ilio.



Ara kata thn gnvmh soy o Theos den einai toso panisxyros se vathmo na mporei na paremvainei stous nomous ths fyshs h apla den einai o dhmiourgos aftwn ton nomwn

 



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Vaggos

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mame wrote:

H 8rhskeia, edwse mia aplokh apanthsh sto erwthma gia thn dhmioyrgia toy kosmoy. Oi an8rwpoi ths epoxhs ekeinhs, sigoyra den 8a katalavainane tipota apo big bang , stoixeiwdh swmatidia kai gia atoma ydrogonoy kai oksygonoy. Alla kai o 8eos na ekshgoyse toys nomoys ths fysikhs, den 8a htan swsto, giati o an8rwpos, prepei na anazhthsei kai na anakalypsei monos toy dhmioyrgwntas episthmes. Etsi den einai swsto na kanoyme epi leksh anagwgh sthn palaia dia8hkh sxetika me thn dhmioyrgia toy kosmoy.Apo ekei kai pera, sto erwthma gia ti epilexthke o planhths mas, gia na dhmioyrgh8ei zwh, prepei prwta na epileksoyme an o 8eos einai mesa sto syban kai eberiexetai se ayto h einai eksw apo ayto. An eberiexete se ayto (kai einai meros toy), den 8a boroyse na kanei kai polla kai h 8esh mas einai aplws oti kalytero boroyse na vrei .An omws dhmioyrghse to syban me ena big bang (kai ara einai eksw apo ayto) tote 8a prepei na syberanoyme oti oi fysikoi nomoi (poy einai kai toso sta8eroi kai sygkekrimenoi gia thn yparksh mas) einai apotelesma ths dianoias toy kai etsi eimaste to apotelesma mia logikhs ekselikshs toy sybantos poy ftiaxthke me sygkekrimeno tropo, wste se kapoia apo ta apeira shmeia na dhmioyrgh8ei zwh , kai se kapoia apo ayta na borei h ayth zwh na einai nohmwn .




Poly kalh h apanthsh sou file mame kai me kalyptei ws ena shmeio alla symfwna me thn thewria sou prokyptoun kainourgies erwthseis.

1. An o Theos einai meros to "gnwstoy" sympantos kai emperiexete se afto shmainei oti kai aftos gennhthike me to bing bang kai oti kai aftos ypakouei stoys nomous ths fyshs, ara aftomatws xanei thn enoia tou "theikou" stoixeiou.

2. An o Theos einai o dhmiourgos toy sympantos, einai eksw apo afto kai olo to sympan einai proion ths dianoias tou, tote pia akrivws einai h allhlepidrash pou exei mazi mas afth thn stigmh?

Thelw na pw..h dianoia tou dhmiourghse to sympan, me toys nomous ths fyshs me thn dhmiourgia twn nefelwmatwn, twn asterwn twn galaksiwn kai twn smhnwn twn galaksiwn. Dhmiourghse dhladh thn ylh, ton xrono thn varythta, akomh kai thn zwh, th nohmon zwh, thn ekseliksh, to kalo kai to kako!

Afou dhmiourghse ta panta, shmainei oti oloi kai ola eimaste dhmiourghmata tou me prodiegrammenh moira. Ara den mporoume na kanoume tipota na allaksoume thn moira mas, eimaste apla mia ylh pou zei kai pethainei mesa sto sympan opws ta astra?



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Vaggos

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jk423 wrote:

 

Dhladh, gia enan thriskeuomeno o monos dromos einai h apporipsh ths ekswghinhs zwhs? Mporei na yparxoun synan8rwpoi mas kai allou (diaforetika aneptigmenoi). Kai poios sou eipe oti h zwh ksekinise sth gh, kai den hr8e sth gh apo kapoio allo meros?

 



Proswpika den thn aporiptw katholou thn thewria na eftase h zwh sthn gh apo kapou allou.
Oi thriskevomenoi, toulaxiston ston kyklo mou thn aporiptoun giati pistevoun oti h o planhths mas kai o anthropos einai oi megalyteres dhmiourgies tou Theou (para to oti exei pollous aiwnes, isws kai xiliethrides gia merikous pou anakalyfthke oti h gh den einai kati "shmantiko" sto axanes sympan).
Apo thn stigmh omws pou den mporei na apodeixtei h yparksh eksoghinhs zwhs den mporoume na to parousiazoume san dedomeno (opws den mporoume na parousiasoume san dedomeno thn meta thanato zwh )

 



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mame

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Filtate Vaggos,

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"" 2. An o Theos einai o dhmiourgos toy sympantos, einai eksw apo afto kai olo to sympan einai proion ths dianoias tou, tote pia akrivws einai h allhlepidrash pou exei mazi mas afth thn stigmh? ""

H "megali enopoiisi" ton fysikon dynameon kai ton theikon dynameon fantazei kapos eksopragmatiki os theoria kai einai aplos mia apopsi poy exei tin yparksi toy theoy os dedomeni kai tin symperifora ton fysikon nomon opos toys kseroyme

An einai ''ekso'' apo to sympan, tote sigoyra o tropos allilepidrasis  einai kati poy den tha mporesoyme na katanoisoyme, giati den exoume tis idiotites toy theou, einai san na rotame ti ypirxe prin to big Bang. Prin kai ekso apo ayto then isxioyn oi fysikoi nomoi toulaxiston opos tous gnorizoyme. To idio logika tha symvenoi kai me ton Theo, etsi den tha exoyme tropo na katalavoume tis dynameis toy kai tha mporouses na peis apla  oti i allilepidrasi einai" Theiki" (!). Episis nomizo oti kathos o Theos einai pneyma, oloi oi nomimoi tiw fysikis tha prepei na stamatoyn sto orio ton nomon sympantos mas. apo ekei kai pera xreiazete pneymatiki dynami oste na ftasoyme sto na katanoisoume to theo =na ftasoume sti theosi. (kati poy tonizoyn oi pateres tis ekklisias)

To yliko mas mellon  mas einai prodiegrammeni symofona mono me tin ekseliksi toy sympantos .Omos iparxei eleutheria epilogon (eksalloy an theleis pisteyeis. Pantos kapios elege paliotera: Kalitera na stoiximatizeis yper tis yparksis toy theoy giati an den yparxei den tha exeis xasei tipota  eno an yparxei tha exeis  toylaxiston kerdisisei tin aionia zoi) . Pithanon o allos kosmos na einai ekso apo to sympan mas . Tha mporoyse na skefteis polles apopseis gia to pneyma mas (i psixi) kai ton tropo poy ellepidra me to allo kosmo opos episis, an kai pos isos allilepidra, to pneyma me tin yli ....

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Μάκης

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Kapote enas sofos mas prin apo 2500 xronia eipe:"An aftos poy pistevete einai theos tote den xriazete na ton klete. An xriazete na ton klete tote den eine theos. Dialekste". Emeis omos eksakoloythoyme na imaste gia klamata!



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Astronomer

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Ara kata thn gnvmh soy o Theos den einai toso panisxyros se vathmo na mporei na paremvainei stous nomous ths fyshs h apla den einai o dhmiourgos aftwn ton nomwn
Den eipa ayto to pragma. Mh vazeis logia sto stoma moy.
Ayto poy eipa einai oti to sympan opws egine dhmioyrghthike gia na yparxoyn disekatommyria asteria kai planhtes.
Kai poy xereis esy poios einai o skopos toy dhmioyrgoy?
Mporei na ithele na dhimoyrgisei apeiroys kosmoys se diaforetikoys planhtes kai meso tis exelixhs na ferei se epafh toys katoikoys aytwn twn kosmwn. Mporei na endiaferetai apla gia to kathe individual kai thn zwh toy.
Den mporeis na xereis ti skopo exei to sympan. Einai to aiwnio anapantito erwthma. Isos na exei sxesi me thn exelixi. Den xero. Allwste eimaste mia stagona ston wkeano toy xwroxronoy. Poioi eimaste emeis gia na krinoyme ton dhmioyrgo kai toys skopoys toy dhmioyrgoy? ena tipota eimaste!

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kb

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MIKRES , ... . . ""



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kb

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mikres allages sto mege8os thw ghs, toy HLIOY, THS 8ESHS EINAI ARKETES GIA NA KATESTREFAN THN ZWH STH GH. OMOIWS APEIPOELAXISTES ALLAGES STIS PAGKOSMIES STA8ERES UA KANAN OLO TO SYMPAN AKATALLHLO GIA ZWH. DEN YPARXOYN POLLES 8ESEIS STO SYMPAN POY NA DEXTOYN ZWH . YPARXOYN POLLA AP8PA SXETIKA ME TO UEMA AYTO DIABASE TA PRWTA KAI OTI APOPEIES EXEIS TA SYZHTAME

SORRY GIA TA KEFALAIA ALLA DIABAZONTAI KALYTEPA. NA DW POTE UA FTIAXTOYN TA ELLHNIKA SE AYTO TO FORUM

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Anonymous

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otan esy anoigeis mia epixeirhsh meneis sthn idia epeixhrhsh h anoigeis kai deyterh kai trith epixhrhsh?styl alysida..

 



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